how do you think the romney campaign sees this? >> i think you have to think about wisconsin. wisconsin and ohio -- >> this is the big question. >> if romney wins florida, north carolina, virginia and new hampshire and colorado, which are the states where he's been leading to tie in the relatively recent polls. he has to win either ohio or wisconsin. if he wins wisconsin and loses ohio, he could get to 270 that way. they are important. >> if he wins wisconsin -- again it was won by john kerry in 2004, comfortably by barack obama in 2008. it would be a swing back for wisconsin. paul ryan is on the ticket. there's some thinking there and the polling is relatively close. he would also -- if he didn't win ohio, the run of all the swing states, colorado, virginia, north carolina, florida, et cetera. >> wisconsin is interesting. we neglected wisconsin, it's very important. wisconsin is a state where we had this recall election in the past. the ground game for the republicans is very strong. a lot of things about obama has been the ground game they have developed since 2008. it's bee